1 Reply by ViceVerse

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"In Japanese.  And I'm the one who picks and chooses what to quote?  I could deal with one or the other, not both."

Japanese or not, it can be use for commecial use, not mugen or 2d fighter maker.


"I said the main page, not the original discussion thread"
You said so yourself, "original discussion thread".

"My issue is that AI, mobile, online, tag team, and soon hitboxes will all be coming first. "
I wasn't crazy about mobile or AI support being done right away either, but it's not my choice, nor I'm the one who pick and choose what's in now or later. Neither are you.  But, guess what I'm just as glad to see AI and mobile in now, because those are must have features that would have taken a long time to implement if we had to do it ourselves. Be happy, you are even getting updates like this. Have you consider that it might be apart of the workflow to get those features in right away for testing purposes? Like seeing if things would function along side another, so there won't be any surprises later on? Maybe? I'm only guessing.

"You're choosing to ignore the fact that several of us directly asked about the implementation of 3D space before purchasing. "
Ignore? Like the original discussion thread you, yourself mentioned?

If I thought that "soon" meant a year later at the soonest (if at all, since the "in 3D soon" verbiage has been completely removed), I would have waited instead of "kickstarting".

Respectably, who fault was that? By your standards what is soon? Because, soon can also mean "as soon as we can get to it". Soon can mean 1 week, 1 month, 1 year. It depends. Seeing that how much work MMind put in and the amount of stuff that is complete so far, 1 year, that's pretty darn soon/fast, if you want to compare it to the amount of time it would have taken us to do it.Easier said then done.

Solution: Since, we are going no where with this. If you must have 3d here and now, have you considered    helping "Steviebops" in his thread to get a headstart on getting 3d arena to work?

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2 Reply by ViceVerse

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"A largely inflexible engine that's in Japanese?  Yes, I've heard of it."

And mugen and 2d fighter maker are flexible?

"UFE was advertised as being 2D and 3D on the main page when it actually went up for sale, without the mention of tag team, mobile and online.  The wording has since changed."

The original thread title was "[W.I.P] 2.5D Fighting Game Framework", with the post stating other features,3D being one of them would be supported down the line. Never in the thread title did it say 2.5d and 3d Framework. I don't know if you miss that part or you're choosing to ignore it.


"Bottom line is you are waiting for features to add to your in-progress game, we are waiting for the core component to begin even planning our systems.  So yes, when all indications are that our features will be dead last, it doesn't change that feeling.  For the record, I, and many others asked very clearly about 3D before plopping our dollars down and were told by MMind that we were, to paraphrase, "kickstarting" the base 3D component by being early adopters."

I'm not going to repeat myself, but again go back and look at each update and you will see the majority of the stuff are bug fixes, and some addons that 3D arena will use anyways. I get what you're trying to say, but it doesn't change fact that "backtracking" is going to cause more delay then anything. I can only imagine the original concept of the engine which is 2.5d, was left incomplete and buggy, while hopping on 3d to soon, and how unorganized that would have looked in the end. I can already hear the 2D people saying, for example, "this/that don't work" or "my character can't even throw", then MMind having to flip flop fixing bugs, add basic addons like throw, for example, yet at the same time, hear someone saying "All 3D fighting games have (insert) feature, I really need (insert feature ASAP)". I would only imagine if it would be a headache or not.

I'll leave it at that, no since in going back and forth. I get what you are trying to say, but I have to disagree.

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3 Reply by ViceVerse

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MasterThespian wrote:

Here's the thing about 3D:  the UFE intro page used to say that we could create games like Virtua Fighter or Tekken and here we are, still getting de-prioritized.  Making a 2D fighting game has been possible for years with MUGEN but there has never been anything for 3D.  With the way things are going, the 3D engine won't happen until every possible tool 2D makers want is available.   As the project continues to cater to them, the more of them will be present to vote.  At a certain point is just feels like the people who paid for 3D are just funding the 2D development and being left out to dry because we can't even get started on our basic engine.


I call BS.

1. There is also a 3d engine called EF-12. Ever heard of it?

2. You Said "At a certain point is just feels like the people who paid for 3D are just funding the 2D development and being left out to dry"
Are you kidding me? Really? Did you just completely miss all the major features that took a great amount of time to complete, that are general features that are build in for both 2D and 3D. huh.... like AI, Grabbling, Mobile, and Networking, that I'm pretty sure UFE 3d will use? Don't throw out blunt statements when you clearly don't know what you are talking about. When the truth is the majority of the (completed) features and addons are for the engine in general plus bug fixes. Regardless of 2d or 3d. 

Oh yea! Forgot to mention, UFE was announce as a 2.5D engine. That already should have told 3d users that 3d is not coming at a drop of a dime.But, it's coming nevertheless. This stuff takes time, else it would have been done already. So, tell me, how would that look if UFE  (announce as a 2d engine), then (SKIPPED) all the core features and addons that the 2d engine required, and did UFE 3D instead right after, while leaving UFE 2d incomplete and buggy? How would that look? Who cares right? As long as you are happy, right? If that was the case you know how much time would have to be invested into backtracking UFE 2D while doing UFE 3D at the same time?

3. BE PATIENT! A bunch of people have been requesting for TAG TEAM way from the very beginning, yet, we had to patiently wait behind network, mobile, AI, and Grabbling and minor features. Tag Team supporters are waiting in line patiently just like you. MMind is only one person. He can't just snap his fingers and make everyone have there dream features in a matter of days or even a month. He's working his ass off, he's not catering to any specific group, he's doing the best that he can.

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